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2009-12-05T20:50:50Z

AngleWyrm: Error in Filter/Shadow coordinate base

== SVG Polygon/Polyline ==

Greetings:

New to Inkscape.

How do you or will Inkscape support native SVG polygon/polyline elements?

Thanks.

== Port 8080 parsed in URLs ==

I have been seeing a lot of places on the site where port 8080 is part of the URL.

I just joined and so got a confirmation mail which directed me to: http://www.inkscape.org:'''8080'''/wiki/index.php/Special:Confirmemail/XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
which obviously didn't work till I removed the 8080

== Feature request ==

Hi,

I am new to this forum, so don't shoot me if I sound stupid.
I am also not sure if this message is going to be read by anyone... hell, I'll try anyway.

Firstly, I would like to congratulate you guys for this wonderful project. I am using inkscape for one year in my professional life (scientific research on semiconductor and bio-electronics). I use it mainly for schematics and technical drawings. I prefer inkscape above other applications because it's lightweight, it 's not packed with tons of useless features, but still you can do beautiful things.

So, I can give feedback on my personal experience in the usage of Inkscape.

(1) the first frustration I ofen have is the usage of grids. For technical drawings (like schematics), a grid is very, very, very important. Anything you do, should always stay perfectly aligned to the grid. I give you an example:
1. make a grid, set switches: "enable snap" and "snap to nodes"
2. draw a rectangle with a relatively thick border. Observe that the rectangle is nicely aligned on the grid as it shoud.
3. scale the rectangle. Observe that the rectangle is NOT ALIGNED to the grid any more! And then the trouble begins...

(2) perhaps related to (1). for technical drawings, I always turn off the switches "Scale stroke". However, if I scale a rectangle, while dragging with the mouse, it seems that the stroke is scaled anyway, until you release the mouse button, the stroke is normal again. This is unwanted.

(3) There should be a method to move objects with a reference point. This way, an object which is aligned to a grid will always stay aligned. Remind that alignment of objects to grids is often not required, ususally a reference point is enough.
It could be done the same way as you do with rotation: the reference point is a little cross you can position, and the position of this cross is stored in memory.
The "move by reference point" is especially useful for irregular items, like text or multiple selections. In the case of text, the default reference point could be e.g. the baseline.

(4) What I really, really miss is multiple pages :-) But, it seems to be on your todo list.

(5) What I also really miss is an easy way to create template objects, like symbols.
* Symbols should be easily selectable from a gallery
* The symbol gallery should be stored WITHIN the same file. Perhaps SVG supports embedding other SVG? Would be perfect.
* Instantiations of the symbols should (in XML terms) a simple line with some parameters. This way, it can be easily parsed by scripts.
* It should be easy to create your own symbols, and import/export them from other SVG.
* Logically, the symbols should be clones: if you change the original in the gallery, you change them all.
* Also, it could be nice to have the objects have some custom text properties which a user can enter or alter when instantiating an object. Example: an electronic schematic contains resistors, and a resistor has a value, which can be altered independently. Of course, other items can be added, depending on the application. Items don't always need to be visible, they can be used for some kind of database purposes. I can write my own XML parser to extract the netlist! Very nice!!
* Suggestion: these symbols also allow us to make hierarchical drawings. For example: you can open a drawing within a drawing.
* I think this is not a very complicated feature to implement, but it would increase the power of the application!

(6) Another interesting feature would be a style gallery, like default fills, default arrows, default text styles, etc... which you can (of course) add, edit, etc... Today, I often have the feeling I have to do too much the same clicking all the time.
Mind point (5). If an object is drawn with styles, you could change the styles, and change all symbols and related objects automatically. Very nice!

(7) The arrowheads could be improved.
* The color of the arrows should be by default the same as the color of the line
* Make a "SWAP ARROWS" button. This simply swaps the END with START arrows. I need it very often.
* Sometimes, it's hard to find the right arrow, due to the linewidth. Right now, we have to choose from a very long list of arrowheads, with different sizes. Better would be to have a shorter list, but a scale factor. This way, we always have the right arrow for the right line.

I think that's about it. If these features could be added, you would make me a very, very happy man!

Please send me an email so I know anybody received these questions.

Thanks in advance,

Roeland.

== More Feature request ==

- A window of objects/group objects (like the layers's window), or inside the layers's window. The window should must be dockable in the 'right side' and allow the visible and blocked options per object
- A dockable object's properties window (now is a floating window)
- Autoclean empty 'text' elements and unused or empty 'flowRoot' elements in the document (is very usual have too much empty elements because you click here, and now there with text tool for write in the correctly position (really, it's an user mistake, but very common).
- Don't set font styles where are not needed (i see with a text editor the svg file and contains too much font-styles in path elements -after a text-to-path conversion-)
- To can remove the patterns created (that i decide remove, after changes in the document). This is a problem when the patterns are created from images, because this is automatically (and without ask me) inserted into the document, whose size increment too much, but if i decide don't use never more a pattern, this will exist forever (and the large image too) into the document.

'''Hi all. I have a suggestion. What is really needed for Inkscape - it is tabbed user interface, like in Firefox browser'''

== bug? ==

Hi im using leopard.
screen "inkscape freferences" will drop dead and make inkscape sleep when i click on rectangle> fill. Some error screen will show up but too short to read. Have to restart inkscape.

== EPS files etc. ==

New to Inkscape - as of today really.
I have been using Illustrator for quite awhile but I want to use as many open source programs as possible.
I notice you can open ai files but what about eps files?
I have a ton of eps files saved and I'd hate to have to go back and somehow resave them.

*no really simple answer other than inkscape relies on other programs to do the converting, and they may not be available. See here for details: [http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=797]

Is Inkscape strictly RBG? I do digital printing in CMYK but I have been able to print RGB files.

*Yes, at the moment. Some work has been done on color management and spot color's but it's still quite basic. Have not used it myself, so can't really comment on if it will work for you.

Also, as part of the printer requirements, I need to assign a specific colour to indicate a cut line for the plotter. Does Inkscape have a "swatch" section where I can add/create this?

*There is the pallet bar at the bottom of the screen, however there is no in inkscape way of editing it yet, see [http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/Customize-Files.html#Customize-Files-Swatches] for current details. Has recently been changed (improved) in development builds, but work still ongoing.

As I come across aspects of Illustrator and digital printing, I'll post them. Hopefully that info will help. I checked a printing forum and Inkscape came up so I imagine if more of these specific items are addressed, you can get more printers using the software.

* yes, it's certainly something that is on the radar after talks with the Scribus (open source DTP program) team, but I can't really comment on when as I'm not an active developer. [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:17, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

-mike-

== Shadow Rotations ==
Create an object and then Filter->Shadows and Glows->Drop Shadow. It looks good so far. But when the object is rotated, the drop shadow rotates with the object. This is an error, a visual improbability. If all the objects on the canvas drop shadows down and to the right, rotating an object should not move the shadow up and to the left. [[User:AngleWyrm|AngleWyrm]] 20:50, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

UsabilityTesting

2009-12-04T22:26:55Z

AngleWyrm: /* Inkscape Usability Testing */

This is a stub. Please help.

= Usability Testing =

There are various ways to test usability some of which overlap with straighforward bug finding, accessibility testing and internationalisation work.
Usability inevitably involves certain tradeoffs but for Inkscape it is important to make basic tasks easy and difficult tasks possible. Inkscape is a drawing tool designed for the mass market. Artists should be considered the primary audience. Technical drawing is a secondary audience and there are many things we will want to make possible but ''Inkscape'' is not intended for Computer Aided Design (CAD) and although we should be able to make many of these things possible it would be counter productive to overwhelm our target audience and this complexity must be balanced.
The first most important lesson is if Inkscape is difficult to understand it is *not your fault* and if there is any way we can improve things we are interested in exploring them.
However we must also look at the big picture, we must avoid microoptimisations (scripting and automation tools will inevitably be needed at some point).

On the testing mailing list [[AlanHorkan]] outlines some task based Usability tests which any user could try out for themselves.
The tasks are generic and their general purpose is to see if the basic behaviour of the tools is straight forward enough for relatively simple tasks.

[http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=12667354 E-mail Archive]

Another form of usability testing is Competitive Analysis. There are valuable lessons we can learn from [[OtherProjects]] particularly commercial products such as ''Adobe Illustrator'' and ''Macromedia Freehand'' which currently dominate the graphic design market.

There are various forms of usability testing, this is only one.

What I have attempted to do here is outline a task you might ask an
ordinary user to do. I hope to put this somewhere in the Wiki where it
can be refined and others can try it out for themselves. Testers
already familiar with Inkscape could also do the test but intimate
knowledge of how Inkscape works will obviously skew the results so a high
level of self awareness is needed. Talking aloud while doing the test and
attempting to vocalise what you are thinking can be very helpful (but a
little awkward and embarassing sometimes). The introduction is supposed
to help put users in the right frame of mind. The task is intended to be
as simple and unambiguous as possible and should be abstract enough to
apply to any vector graphics program.

== Inkscape Usability Testing ==

The Inkscape developers understand Inkscape is not perfect.
If a task seems difficult or awkward it is not your fault.
If it is not immediately obvious what you are meant to do then perhaps we
can improve it. Please make a note of anything you find difficult to
understand. Find any problems or inefficiencies and try to describe them
as best you can. Do not worry too much about suggesting ways to fix
problems, it is up to the developer to step back and look at the bigger
picture and see how things might best be improved.
Even if you are able to figure it out ask yourself if could it be better?

These are the kinds of questions you need to ask to help improve the
usability of Inkscape.

:Is here the place to ask? Or is there somewhere else?
:I've been using Inkscape to make [http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/borderlands/images/c/ce/LegendStyles.svg Maps of the Borderlands]. An issue that comes up while I'm tracing a path: Sometimes I accidentally finish a path. Sometimes that happens because of my MX Revolution mouse registering a double-click, sometimes because my coffee buzzed fingers spaz, and sometimes because I realize after the fact that I want to continue on that path. Not sure about it, but it might also be happening when some badly behaved tray application steals the focus.
:This is different from splitting a segment into two segments with an in-between point. What I want to do is select an endpoint and continue adding points to that path. Also, along the same lines, some way to back up while placing a path. Maybe control-clicking last nodes backs up.[[User:AngleWyrm|AngleWyrm]] 21:18, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

=== Task 1 ===

Draw a picture of a House.

Use at least one Ellipse
Include a linear gradient in your drawing.
Inlcude the text "Home Sweet Home"

Save your drawing with the name ''house-01.svg''

[Notes: might break this task up into stages, suggesting different
modifications at each stage to encourage testers to discover particular
tools and save different versions of the files. Perhaps also include
saving the final version of the file so that it can be put on a web page]

=== Task 2 ===

Draw a picture of a face.

== Suggestions for improvement ==

(none)

== References ==

[http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/ Gnome Human Interface Guidelines]

[http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ui-review/checklist.html Gnome User Interface Review Checklist]

UsabilityTesting

2009-12-04T21:23:48Z

AngleWyrm: /* Inkscape Usability Testing */

This is a stub. Please help.

= Usability Testing =

There are various ways to test usability some of which overlap with straighforward bug finding, accessibility testing and internationalisation work.
Usability inevitably involves certain tradeoffs but for Inkscape it is important to make basic tasks easy and difficult tasks possible. Inkscape is a drawing tool designed for the mass market. Artists should be considered the primary audience. Technical drawing is a secondary audience and there are many things we will want to make possible but ''Inkscape'' is not intended for Computer Aided Design (CAD) and although we should be able to make many of these things possible it would be counter productive to overwhelm our target audience and this complexity must be balanced.
The first most important lesson is if Inkscape is difficult to understand it is *not your fault* and if there is any way we can improve things we are interested in exploring them.
However we must also look at the big picture, we must avoid microoptimisations (scripting and automation tools will inevitably be needed at some point).

On the testing mailing list [[AlanHorkan]] outlines some task based Usability tests which any user could try out for themselves.
The tasks are generic and their general purpose is to see if the basic behaviour of the tools is straight forward enough for relatively simple tasks.

[http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=12667354 E-mail Archive]

Another form of usability testing is Competitive Analysis. There are valuable lessons we can learn from [[OtherProjects]] particularly commercial products such as ''Adobe Illustrator'' and ''Macromedia Freehand'' which currently dominate the graphic design market.

There are various forms of usability testing, this is only one.

What I have attempted to do here is outline a task you might ask an
ordinary user to do. I hope to put this somewhere in the Wiki where it
can be refined and others can try it out for themselves. Testers
already familiar with Inkscape could also do the test but intimate
knowledge of how Inkscape works will obviously skew the results so a high
level of self awareness is needed. Talking aloud while doing the test and
attempting to vocalise what you are thinking can be very helpful (but a
little awkward and embarassing sometimes). The introduction is supposed
to help put users in the right frame of mind. The task is intended to be
as simple and unambiguous as possible and should be abstract enough to
apply to any vector graphics program.

== Inkscape Usability Testing ==

The Inkscape developers understand Inkscape is not perfect.
If a task seems difficult or awkward it is not your fault.
If it is not immediately obvious what you are meant to do then perhaps we
can improve it. Please make a note of anything you find difficult to
understand. Find any problems or inefficiencies and try to describe them
as best you can. Do not worry too much about suggesting ways to fix
problems, it is up to the developer to step back and look at the bigger
picture and see how things might best be improved.
Even if you are able to figure it out ask yourself if could it be better?

These are the kinds of questions you need to ask to help improve the
usability of Inkscape.

:Is here the place to ask? Or is there somewhere else?
:I've been using Inkscape to make [http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/borderlands/images/c/ce/LegendStyles.svg Maps of the Borderlands]. An issue that comes up while I'm tracing a path: Sometimes I accidentally finish a path. Sometimes that happens because of my MX Revolution mouse registering a double-click, sometimes because my coffee buzzed fingers spaz, and sometimes because I realize after the fact that I want to continue on that path.
:This is different from splitting a segment into two segments with an in-between point. What I want to do is select an endpoint and continue adding points to that path. Also, along the same lines, some way to back up while placing a path. Maybe control-clicking last nodes backs up.[[User:AngleWyrm|AngleWyrm]] 21:18, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

=== Task 1 ===

Draw a picture of a House.

Use at least one Ellipse
Include a linear gradient in your drawing.
Inlcude the text "Home Sweet Home"

Save your drawing with the name ''house-01.svg''

[Notes: might break this task up into stages, suggesting different
modifications at each stage to encourage testers to discover particular
tools and save different versions of the files. Perhaps also include
saving the final version of the file so that it can be put on a web page]

=== Task 2 ===

Draw a picture of a face.

== Suggestions for improvement ==

(none)

== References ==

[http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/ Gnome Human Interface Guidelines]

[http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ui-review/checklist.html Gnome User Interface Review Checklist]

UsabilityTesting

2009-12-04T21:18:43Z

AngleWyrm: signed

This is a stub. Please help.

= Usability Testing =

There are various ways to test usability some of which overlap with straighforward bug finding, accessibility testing and internationalisation work.
Usability inevitably involves certain tradeoffs but for Inkscape it is important to make basic tasks easy and difficult tasks possible. Inkscape is a drawing tool designed for the mass market. Artists should be considered the primary audience. Technical drawing is a secondary audience and there are many things we will want to make possible but ''Inkscape'' is not intended for Computer Aided Design (CAD) and although we should be able to make many of these things possible it would be counter productive to overwhelm our target audience and this complexity must be balanced.
The first most important lesson is if Inkscape is difficult to understand it is *not your fault* and if there is any way we can improve things we are interested in exploring them.
However we must also look at the big picture, we must avoid microoptimisations (scripting and automation tools will inevitably be needed at some point).

On the testing mailing list [[AlanHorkan]] outlines some task based Usability tests which any user could try out for themselves.
The tasks are generic and their general purpose is to see if the basic behaviour of the tools is straight forward enough for relatively simple tasks.

[http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=12667354 E-mail Archive]

Another form of usability testing is Competitive Analysis. There are valuable lessons we can learn from [[OtherProjects]] particularly commercial products such as ''Adobe Illustrator'' and ''Macromedia Freehand'' which currently dominate the graphic design market.

There are various forms of usability testing, this is only one.

What I have attempted to do here is outline a task you might ask an
ordinary user to do. I hope to put this somewhere in the Wiki where it
can be refined and others can try it out for themselves. Testers
already familiar with Inkscape could also do the test but intimate
knowledge of how Inkscape works will obviously skew the results so a high
level of self awareness is needed. Talking aloud while doing the test and
attempting to vocalise what you are thinking can be very helpful (but a
little awkward and embarassing sometimes). The introduction is supposed
to help put users in the right frame of mind. The task is intended to be
as simple and unambiguous as possible and should be abstract enough to
apply to any vector graphics program.

== Inkscape Usability Testing ==

The Inkscape developers understand Inkscape is not perfect.
If a task seems difficult or awkward it is not your fault.
If it is not immediately obvious what you are meant to do then perhaps we
can improve it. Please make a note of anything you find difficult to
understand. Find any problems or inefficiencies and try to describe them
as best you can. Do not worry too much about suggesting ways to fix
problems, it is up to the developer to step back and look at the bigger
picture and see how things might best be improved.
Even if you are able to figure it out ask yourself if could it be better?

These are the kinds of questions you need to ask to help improve the
usability of Inkscape.

:Is here the place to ask? Or is there somewhere else?
:I've been using Inkscape to make [http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/borderlands/images/c/ce/LegendStyles.svg Maps of the Borderlands]. An issue that comes up while I'm tracing a path: Sometimes I accidentally finish a path. Sometimes that happens because of my MX Revolution mouse registering a double-click, sometimes because my coffee buzzed fingers spaz, and sometimes because I realize after the fact that I want to continue on that path.
:This is different from splitting a segment into two segments with an in-between point. What I want to do is select an endpoint and continue adding points to that path. [[User:AngleWyrm|AngleWyrm]] 21:18, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

=== Task 1 ===

Draw a picture of a House.

Use at least one Ellipse
Include a linear gradient in your drawing.
Inlcude the text "Home Sweet Home"

Save your drawing with the name ''house-01.svg''

[Notes: might break this task up into stages, suggesting different
modifications at each stage to encourage testers to discover particular
tools and save different versions of the files. Perhaps also include
saving the final version of the file so that it can be put on a web page]

=== Task 2 ===

Draw a picture of a face.

== Suggestions for improvement ==

(none)

== References ==

[http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/ Gnome Human Interface Guidelines]

[http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ui-review/checklist.html Gnome User Interface Review Checklist]

UsabilityTesting

2009-12-04T21:17:36Z

AngleWyrm: Suggestion: Continue a path edit

This is a stub. Please help.

= Usability Testing =

There are various ways to test usability some of which overlap with straighforward bug finding, accessibility testing and internationalisation work.
Usability inevitably involves certain tradeoffs but for Inkscape it is important to make basic tasks easy and difficult tasks possible. Inkscape is a drawing tool designed for the mass market. Artists should be considered the primary audience. Technical drawing is a secondary audience and there are many things we will want to make possible but ''Inkscape'' is not intended for Computer Aided Design (CAD) and although we should be able to make many of these things possible it would be counter productive to overwhelm our target audience and this complexity must be balanced.
The first most important lesson is if Inkscape is difficult to understand it is *not your fault* and if there is any way we can improve things we are interested in exploring them.
However we must also look at the big picture, we must avoid microoptimisations (scripting and automation tools will inevitably be needed at some point).

On the testing mailing list [[AlanHorkan]] outlines some task based Usability tests which any user could try out for themselves.
The tasks are generic and their general purpose is to see if the basic behaviour of the tools is straight forward enough for relatively simple tasks.

[http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=12667354 E-mail Archive]

Another form of usability testing is Competitive Analysis. There are valuable lessons we can learn from [[OtherProjects]] particularly commercial products such as ''Adobe Illustrator'' and ''Macromedia Freehand'' which currently dominate the graphic design market.

There are various forms of usability testing, this is only one.

What I have attempted to do here is outline a task you might ask an
ordinary user to do. I hope to put this somewhere in the Wiki where it
can be refined and others can try it out for themselves. Testers
already familiar with Inkscape could also do the test but intimate
knowledge of how Inkscape works will obviously skew the results so a high
level of self awareness is needed. Talking aloud while doing the test and
attempting to vocalise what you are thinking can be very helpful (but a
little awkward and embarassing sometimes). The introduction is supposed
to help put users in the right frame of mind. The task is intended to be
as simple and unambiguous as possible and should be abstract enough to
apply to any vector graphics program.

== Inkscape Usability Testing ==

The Inkscape developers understand Inkscape is not perfect.
If a task seems difficult or awkward it is not your fault.
If it is not immediately obvious what you are meant to do then perhaps we
can improve it. Please make a note of anything you find difficult to
understand. Find any problems or inefficiencies and try to describe them
as best you can. Do not worry too much about suggesting ways to fix
problems, it is up to the developer to step back and look at the bigger
picture and see how things might best be improved.
Even if you are able to figure it out ask yourself if could it be better?

These are the kinds of questions you need to ask to help improve the
usability of Inkscape.

:Is here the place to ask? Or is there somewhere else?
:I've been using Inkscape to make [http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/borderlands/images/c/ce/LegendStyles.svg Maps of the Borderlands]. An issue that comes up while I'm tracing a path: Sometimes I accidentally finish a path. Sometimes that happens because of my MX Revolution mouse registering a double-click, sometimes because my coffee buzzed fingers spaz, and sometimes because I realize after the fact that I want to continue on that path.
:This is different from splitting a segment into two segments with an in-between point. What I want to do is select an endpoint and continue adding points to that path.

=== Task 1 ===

Draw a picture of a House.

Use at least one Ellipse
Include a linear gradient in your drawing.
Inlcude the text "Home Sweet Home"

Save your drawing with the name ''house-01.svg''

[Notes: might break this task up into stages, suggesting different
modifications at each stage to encourage testers to discover particular
tools and save different versions of the files. Perhaps also include
saving the final version of the file so that it can be put on a web page]

=== Task 2 ===

Draw a picture of a face.

== Suggestions for improvement ==

(none)

== References ==

[http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/ Gnome Human Interface Guidelines]

[http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ui-review/checklist.html Gnome User Interface Review Checklist]

ColourPicker

2009-12-01T05:36:25Z

AngleWyrm: Updated ridiculing the patent

Inkscape and [[The_Gimp]] should share a colour picker. The Gtk one is simple but not powerful enough for serious work.

Of course, some of what pickers and features we need will depend on what exactly we mean by [[InkscapeColor]]

Here are some example pickers that are worth copying:

* http://www.joncruz.org/NewColorSel.png
* http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/figures/uiswing/components/ColorChooserDemo2.gif
* http://www.oldjewelsoftware.com/ppicker/index.html
* http://www.color-wheel-pro.com/
* http://www.tigercolor.com/
* http://www.synergymedia.net/products/ColorPerfect/
* http://macosx.narcissisme.dk/colordesigner_v7_screenshot.jpg
* http://www.code-line.com/software/colorconsultantpro.html
* http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/macintyre91constraintbased.html

And a few recent additions
* http://www.colorschemer.com/
* http://www.wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html
* http://www.colorjack.com/sphere/

== Patents ==

There is a Adobe Patent on Tabbed Palettes.

More Infos:
http://swpat.ffii.org/patents/samples/ep689133/index.en.html

The patent claim quoted:
#A method for combining on a computer display an additional set of information displayed in a first area of the display and having associated with it a selection indicator into a group of multiple sets of information needed on a recurring basis displayed in a second area of the screen, comprising the steps of establishing the second area on the computer display in which the group of multiple sets of information is displayed, the second area having a size which is less than the entire area of the computer display, the second area displaying a first of the multiple sets of information;
#providing within the second area a plurality of selection indicators, each one associated with a corresponding one of the multiple selecting a second of the multiple sets of information for display within the second area by activating a selection indicator associated with a second of the multiple sets of information, whereby the second of the multiple sets of information is substituted for the first of the multiple sets of information within the area of the display; and
#combining the additional set of information, displayed in the first area of the display into the group of multiple sets of information so that the additional set of information may be selected using its selection indicator in the same manner as the other sets of information in the group.
This is so absurdly vast that it encompasses all Tab widgets ever created, including the tabs at the bottom of Microsoft Excel, the CTabCtrl included with virtually every version of Microsoft Visual C++, email systems where there's a set of categories on the left and a detail section on the right, most websites with menus, including the WC3's frame based pages, all tree-folder setups with a detail view...It's not a sane claim, and it's only purpose is promoting fear of financial damage. [[User:AngleWyrm|AngleWyrm]] 04:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== Thoughts: ==

It would be best to avoid copying any of these exactly.

I like the idea of allowing the user to adjust groups of colours in a picture simultaneously.

The colour picker should be implemented using a widget that displays SVG.

[[Category:Developer Discussion]]

ColourPicker

2009-12-01T05:01:54Z

AngleWyrm: /* Patents */

Inkscape and [[The_Gimp]] should share a colour picker. The Gtk one is simple but not powerful enough for serious work.

Of course, some of what pickers and features we need will depend on what exactly we mean by [[InkscapeColor]]

Here are some example pickers that are worth copying:

* http://www.joncruz.org/NewColorSel.png
* http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/figures/uiswing/components/ColorChooserDemo2.gif
* http://www.oldjewelsoftware.com/ppicker/index.html
* http://www.color-wheel-pro.com/
* http://www.tigercolor.com/
* http://www.synergymedia.net/products/ColorPerfect/
* http://macosx.narcissisme.dk/colordesigner_v7_screenshot.jpg
* http://www.code-line.com/software/colorconsultantpro.html
* http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/macintyre91constraintbased.html

And a few recent additions
* http://www.colorschemer.com/
* http://www.wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html
* http://www.colorjack.com/sphere/

== Patents ==

There is a Adobe Patent on Tabbed Palettes.

More Infos:
http://swpat.ffii.org/patents/samples/ep689133/index.en.html

The patent claim quoted:
#A method for combining on a computer display an additional set of information displayed in a first area of the display and having associated with it a selection indicator into a group of multiple sets of information needed on a recurring basis displayed in a second area of the screen, comprising the steps of establishing the second area on the computer display in which the group of multiple sets of information is displayed, the second area having a size which is less than the entire area of the computer display, the second area displaying a first of the multiple sets of information;
#providing within the second area a plurality of selection indicators, each one associated with a corresponding one of the multiple selecting a second of the multiple sets of information for display within the second area by activating a selection indicator associated with a second of the multiple sets of information, whereby the second of the multiple sets of information is substituted for the first of the multiple sets of information within the area of the display; and
#combining the additional set of information, displayed in the first area of the display into the group of multiple sets of information so that the additional set of information may be selected using its selection indicator in the same manner as the other sets of information in the group.
This is so absurdly vast that it encompasses all Tab widgets ever created, including the tabs at the bottom of Microsoft Excel, the CTabCtrl included with virtually every version of Microsoft Visual C++ and used by thousands of programmers... It's not a sane claim, and it's only purpose is promoting fear of financial damage. [[User:AngleWyrm|AngleWyrm]] 04:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== Thoughts: ==

It would be best to avoid copying any of these exactly.

I like the idea of allowing the user to adjust groups of colours in a picture simultaneously.

The colour picker should be implemented using a widget that displays SVG.

[[Category:Developer Discussion]]

ColourPicker

2009-12-01T04:59:51Z

AngleWyrm: Patent quoted and scoffed at

Inkscape and [[The_Gimp]] should share a colour picker. The Gtk one is simple but not powerful enough for serious work.

Of course, some of what pickers and features we need will depend on what exactly we mean by [[InkscapeColor]]

Here are some example pickers that are worth copying:

* http://www.joncruz.org/NewColorSel.png
* http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/figures/uiswing/components/ColorChooserDemo2.gif
* http://www.oldjewelsoftware.com/ppicker/index.html
* http://www.color-wheel-pro.com/
* http://www.tigercolor.com/
* http://www.synergymedia.net/products/ColorPerfect/
* http://macosx.narcissisme.dk/colordesigner_v7_screenshot.jpg
* http://www.code-line.com/software/colorconsultantpro.html
* http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/macintyre91constraintbased.html

And a few recent additions
* http://www.colorschemer.com/
* http://www.wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html
* http://www.colorjack.com/sphere/

== Patents ==

There is a Adobe Patent on Tabbed Palettes.

More Infos:
http://swpat.ffii.org/patents/samples/ep689133/index.en.html

The patent claim quoted:
#A method for combining on a computer display an additional set of information displayed in a first area of the display and having associated with it a selection indicator into a group of multiple sets of information needed on a recurring basis displayed in a second area of the screen, comprising the steps of establishing the second area on the computer display in which the group of multiple sets of information is displayed, the second area having a size which is less than the entire area of the computer display, the second area displaying a first of the multiple sets of information;
#providing within the second area a plurality of selection indicators, each one associated with a corresponding one of the multiple selecting a second of the multiple sets of information for display within the second area by activating a selection indicator associated with a second of the multiple sets of information, whereby the second of the multiple sets of information is substituted for the first of the multiple sets of information within the area of the display; and
#combining the additional set of information, displayed in the first area of the display into the group of multiple sets of information so that the additional set of information may be selected using its selection indicator in the same manner as the other sets of information in the group.
This is so absurdly vast that it encompasses all Tab widgets ever created, including the tabs at the bottom of Microsoft Excel, the CTabCtrl included with virtually every version of Microsoft Visual C++ and used by thousands of programmers, the menu system employed by Command & Conquer 3... It's not a sane claim, and it's only purpose is promoting fear of financial damage. [[User:AngleWyrm|AngleWyrm]] 04:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== Thoughts: ==

It would be best to avoid copying any of these exactly.

I like the idea of allowing the user to adjust groups of colours in a picture simultaneously.

The colour picker should be implemented using a widget that displays SVG.

[[Category:Developer Discussion]]