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<div>Corey Burger dabbles in the kiddie end of pool when it comes to Inkscape. You can see more about me on the [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CoreyBurger Ubuntu wiki].</div>Corey Burgerhttps://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php?title=Printing_consensus_poll&diff=5868Printing consensus poll2006-01-27T04:55:47Z<p>Corey Burger: I was told to vote, so I did</p>
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<div>== Problem ==<br />
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Bryce has pointed out the #1 feature need for Inkscape right now is strong support for Adobe Portable Document Format (PDF) and Postscript (PS) in his [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=36054&max_rows=25&style=flat&viewmonth=200511&viewday=30 2005.11.30 email] to the Inkscape mailing lists.<br />
This [[ConsensusPoll]] exists to enable the community to efficiently create and commit to a plan of action to resolve this issue.<br />
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== Contract ==<br />
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* >= 20 inkscape enthusiasts<br />
* >= 4 developers with commit access<br />
* >= 95% yes<br />
* all conditions in plan are met<br />
* 72 hour GO timer<br />
* 80% cloture<br />
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[[ContractExplanation]]<br />
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Because this contract defines what it means to participate in this poll it will never be changed. If it turns out to be inadequate, this poll must be canceled and a new poll with a new contract must be drafted.<br />
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== Yes-No Poll ==<br />
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Participation in this poll is open to anyone who wants to participate.<br />
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Voting yes in this poll means that you believe the community created plan is ready for implementation, and that you will do your part to support its execution. Voting no in this poll means that you have outstanding concerns about the community created plan. You can change your vote at any time. All votes are transparent so that those voting yes can listen to the concerns of those voting no.<br />
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No ... [[BrandonCsSanders]] - Success needs to be defined (e.g., if all 20 test cases are passed ...)<br />
Yes... [[BryceHarrington]] - Let's do it<br />
No ... [[AlexandreProkoudine]] - There is no plan yet<br />
No ... [[ColinMarquardt]] - There is no plan yet<br />
No ... [[EricWilhelm]] - The plan needs salt<br />
No ... [[MenTaLguY]] - This isn't much of a plan...<br />
No ... [[JonCruz]] - Plan? Not quite yet<br />
No ... [[JonPhillips]] - no plan...<br />
No ... [[NicuBuculei]] - so far the plan is weak<br />
No ... [[RalfWStephan]] - I would be nearly satisfied with the plan were there much more test cases<br />
No ... [[AndyFitzsimon]] - I will also pledge $50 once someone defines how we do pledges.<br />
No ... [[TuukkaPasanen]] - There isn't good plan yet.<br />
No ... [[EricJonas]] - There is no plan<br />
No ... [[AdibTaraben]] theAdib - There is no plan<br />
No ... Martin Owens - There is a plan but it's pants.<br />
Yes ....[[Corey Burger]] -plan, what plan?<br />
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(If you are voting no because the plan is incomplete, please describe what you'd like to see added or changed.)<br />
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== Pledges ==<br />
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$50 ... [[BryceHarrington]] - I will pledge $50 once someone defines how we do pledges :-)<br />
$50 ... [[AndyFitzsimon]] - I will also pledge $50 once someone defines how we do pledges.<br />
€50 ... [[RalfWStephan]] - whenever the plan has succeeded<br />
$50 ... [[BrandonCsSanders]] - once the plan is done<br />
$100 ... [[EricJonas]] - Just let me know how to pledge<br />
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== Plan ==<br />
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# Describe the [[Current PDF Support]] and the known [[PDF bugs]]<br />
# Identify [[Required PDF Support]]<br />
# Assemble a few dozen examples to use as [[PDF test cases]]<br />
# Document how each of the current [[PDF tools]] (potential starting points) performs on the suite of test cases<br />
# Determine timeframe<br />
## Start some time in early 2006?<br />
## Expected completion some time in mid/late 2006?<br />
# Select developer with the right skillset<br />
## C[[/C]]++, XML<br />
## PDF file format<br />
## SVG file format<br />
## Able to work under (U.S.) contract<br />
## [[/Other]] skillset requirements?/<br />
# Determine what funding is needed to enable them to complete the work<br />
# Establish a contract with the selected developer to perform the work<br />
# When the developer is done, verify that all test cases pass, then pay developer<br />
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== Background Information ==<br />
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* [[SOC_Original_Project_Prompts]]<br />
* [[PrintingSubsystem]]<br />
* [[Roadmap]] (Milestone 11) Import[[/Export]] Feature Enhancements<br />
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== Adequate Technical Solutions ==<br />
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What solutions would be fine?<br />
* Library that integrates directly in to inkscape (and scribus, ...)<br />
** Use [[Cairo]] as the presentation layer and use its support for pdf/ps<br />
*** This may be a first step towards an eventual migration of the backend renderer to Cairo<br />
** See [http://poppler.freedesktop.org/ Poppler] for PDF import. <br />
*** [http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/poppler/2005-June/000428.html pdftosvg 1]<br />
*** [http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=14147945 pdftosvg 2]<br />
*** [http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/poppler/2005-December/001248.html pdftosvg 3]<br />
** Pull out the scribus pdf support into a libpdf (libpdf name has already been used) that can be shared by both scribus and Inkscape<br />
*** Requires conversion of Qt-isms into more neutral widgetset-independent style<br />
* Extend an existing standalone (filter) tool that can be bundled with inkscape<br />
** [http://scratchcomputing.com/projects/uber-converter/ Uberconverter]<br />
** [http://www.solidcode.net/pdf2svg/ pdf2svg]<br />
** [http://www.sodipodi.com/index.php3?section=download/tools ill2svg]<br />
** [http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen/public/software/ai2svg.py ai2svg]<br />
** [http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/ pdftk]<br />
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== Possible Strategies ==<br />
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* Raise money and hire a developer to implement it<br />
** Collect pledges, once we are over threshold collect funds (http://fundable.org/)<br />
*** What should the threshhold be? $2000? $5000?<br />
*** Still too early to decide what the threshold should be. We need to know how much it will cost first.<br />
*** Fundable now charges a 10% fee from the amount collected<br />
** Need to decide what the funds would be spent on ahead of time<br />
*** 10-20% - Tester to collect test cases and put together a test suite for developer to use<br />
*** 70-80% - Developer to write the code, document it, and make it pass the tests<br />
*** 5-10% - Liaison to handle the paperwork, collect/distribute funds, track/report progress, and verify the work has been completed adequately<br />
** Mercenaries that would do this for us?<br />
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*** [[BrandonCsSanders]] ... I'd do it for $2000, half up front, half once it meets spec. Caveat: it would take me six months to complete because my plate is pretty full right now and I'll be snatching a week here and a week there.<br />
*** [[EricWilhelm]] ... This will be a lovely fit for the [[UberConverter]]. I'm guessing $5k would get it to about the same level as XAR and SVG in chromista. Caveat: Those aren't done yet. Check back in Jan. I would also be happy to oversee/direct the work of someone else wanting to write this as a pair of [[UberConverter]] connectors (crs2pdf, pdf2crs.)<br />
*** /other mercenaries?/<br />
* Hold a [http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?BarnRaising [[BarnRaising]]]<br />
** at [http://RecentChangesCamp.org [[RecentChangesCamp]]] in Portland February 3-5<br />
** other location/time?<br />
* Wait for a volunteer to get inspired and just do it<br />
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== Questions[[/Brainstorms]] ==<br />
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* What about what inkscape earned through the Google Summer of Code? What's the status of this?<br />
** $2000 earned; there has been no plan or consensus for what to use it for<br />
* Does Cairo have PDF export already? What about to use cairo for just this job? and later then use cairo for the whole presentation layer? Instead of creating an interims solution?<br />
** Yes, Cairo has PDF export capabilities; it's unknown if it's significantly better than our current (poor) pdf export functionality<br />
** Cairo Postscript and PDF backends are still experimental and disabled by default in current stable release, but plan is to make them supported in next stable release, expected for the end of 2005. See [http://cvs.cairographics.org/*checkout*/cairo/ROADMAP Cairo ROADMAP]<br />
** A way to test cairo capabilities would be to use librsvg HEAD. See Dom Lachowicz [http://www.advogato.org/person/cinamod/diary.html?start=91 blog entry].<br />
* Investigate ps2ai, pstoedit and ai2svg conversion options (potential EPS support?)<br />
* Import of native [[AdobeIllustrator]] files, which have been PDF based since Illustrator 10 (at least). <br />
* Other [[PDF Bugs | Bugs and RFE's]] related to Import or Export?<br />
* [[UberConverter]]</div>Corey Burger